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	<title>Comments on: State Boards and Criminal Record Checks</title>
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		<title>By: Shie &#124; Background Check</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shie &#124; Background Check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is undeniably important that a background check must be done with the state board, school trustees and even students that are required to handle clinical or dangerous components.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is undeniably important that a background check must be done with the state board, school trustees and even students that are required to handle clinical or dangerous components.</p>
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		<title>By: George Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only complaint about the criminal background check for MTs in the State of Colorado is that it takes months to get processed; yet gun dealers are complaining that they cannot get an instant (less than 2 hours) check done for weapons purchases at gun shows!  It would seem to me that our society has its priorities very wrong here.  Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment to add the right to &quot;bare arms (and other body parts)&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only complaint about the criminal background check for MTs in the State of Colorado is that it takes months to get processed; yet gun dealers are complaining that they cannot get an instant (less than 2 hours) check done for weapons purchases at gun shows!  It would seem to me that our society has its priorities very wrong here.  Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment to add the right to &#8220;bare arms (and other body parts)&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristie, while I applaud you that you personally do talk  with your students about this, you are wasting your time, and theirs, by telling them to call the massage board before they enter school. The Board does NOT review criminal records, at this point in time, prior to receiving the actual application for licensure. 

That was the point of this blog---most of the states don&#039;t and won&#039;t tell them beforehand whether or not they&#039;re going to be denied. They&#039;re not going to get an answer, and that&#039;s what they&#039;ll be told when they call the Board. It&#039;s all we can do to deal with the ones who actually do apply. 

One person does not have say-so; so it isn&#039;t like the student can call and get an answer.  Applicants with criminal records here are reviewed by a committee of three board members and the board&#039;s attorney, and the committee makes a recommendation to the full board of whether or not to deny the license. The full Board then discusses it, and they can choose to accept or refuse our recommendation, so it is a slow process. That&#039;s a standard procedure with most state massage boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristie, while I applaud you that you personally do talk  with your students about this, you are wasting your time, and theirs, by telling them to call the massage board before they enter school. The Board does NOT review criminal records, at this point in time, prior to receiving the actual application for licensure. </p>
<p>That was the point of this blog&#8212;most of the states don&#8217;t and won&#8217;t tell them beforehand whether or not they&#8217;re going to be denied. They&#8217;re not going to get an answer, and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll be told when they call the Board. It&#8217;s all we can do to deal with the ones who actually do apply. </p>
<p>One person does not have say-so; so it isn&#8217;t like the student can call and get an answer.  Applicants with criminal records here are reviewed by a committee of three board members and the board&#8217;s attorney, and the committee makes a recommendation to the full board of whether or not to deny the license. The full Board then discusses it, and they can choose to accept or refuse our recommendation, so it is a slow process. That&#8217;s a standard procedure with most state massage boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Knee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Knee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my state, the massage board has told me that when reviewing those with criminal backgrounds, they are specifically looking for sex crimes. I understand that they are fairly liberal, so those students I have &quot;vouched&quot; for have all gotten their licenses. I think I&#039;ve always had at least one in each class that had something, be it a DUI or possession charge.  I&#039;ve always encouraged them to be honest, but I wonder how many just slipped on by. 

I taught massage at a vocational college for a while, and there was a big problem with not only students with criminal backgrounds that included violence but untreated mental illness and learning disabilities. Admission policy at the school was basically &quot;get them in&quot;. They found that about a quarter of the students who  enrolled and completed the Criminal Justice program were not eligible to work in their field because of their criminal records. 

When I have complained about it to the higher ups, their finger points constantly to the federal student loan program. We are not allowed to discriminate if we are taking federal money. But eliminating this connection would certainly put many schools under. It is a quagmire, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my state, the massage board has told me that when reviewing those with criminal backgrounds, they are specifically looking for sex crimes. I understand that they are fairly liberal, so those students I have &#8220;vouched&#8221; for have all gotten their licenses. I think I&#8217;ve always had at least one in each class that had something, be it a DUI or possession charge.  I&#8217;ve always encouraged them to be honest, but I wonder how many just slipped on by. </p>
<p>I taught massage at a vocational college for a while, and there was a big problem with not only students with criminal backgrounds that included violence but untreated mental illness and learning disabilities. Admission policy at the school was basically &#8220;get them in&#8221;. They found that about a quarter of the students who  enrolled and completed the Criminal Justice program were not eligible to work in their field because of their criminal records. </p>
<p>When I have complained about it to the higher ups, their finger points constantly to the federal student loan program. We are not allowed to discriminate if we are taking federal money. But eliminating this connection would certainly put many schools under. It is a quagmire, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Laura.  Well written!
I personally interview everyone that attends our program.  And, we do ask on the application if they have ever been convicted of a crime and/or are on probation.  If the answer is &quot;Yes&quot; to that question, I ask them what the offense is/was.  Most of the time I give them the number to the North Carolina Board of Massage and have them ask them up front - before they enroll.
The last thing I want to do is have someone go through this program and then be told they cannot get a license.
I&#039;m up front and honest with each and every applicant.  And, I wish every school was the same.
Thank you for all that you do, Laura.  I enjoy reading your articles and Face Book entries!
Kristie Morgan
www.NCmassageSchool.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Laura.  Well written!<br />
I personally interview everyone that attends our program.  And, we do ask on the application if they have ever been convicted of a crime and/or are on probation.  If the answer is &#8220;Yes&#8221; to that question, I ask them what the offense is/was.  Most of the time I give them the number to the North Carolina Board of Massage and have them ask them up front &#8211; before they enroll.<br />
The last thing I want to do is have someone go through this program and then be told they cannot get a license.<br />
I&#8217;m up front and honest with each and every applicant.  And, I wish every school was the same.<br />
Thank you for all that you do, Laura.  I enjoy reading your articles and Face Book entries!<br />
Kristie Morgan<br />
<a href="http://www.NCmassageSchool.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NCmassageSchool.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Thompson, RN, M.Ed. LMBT #587</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Thompson, RN, M.Ed. LMBT #587</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,
Bingo, you are right on target.  NC Community Colleges are considered &quot;open door&quot; when it comes to admissions and to a certain degree, as program directors, our hands are tied.  

At our college, ALL of our healthcare programs require  students to have a criminal background check and drug screen prior to the first day of class because our students are required to participate in external clinical components.  Thank Goodness for that!

Our safeguard is this:
The healthcare organizations, where our students participate in their clinical rotation, DO require the CBC&#039;s and drug screens.  

Yes, it lets the community college system off the hook, so to speak, while still controlling, to a certain degree, the quality of students that enter our educational gates.  AND....the external healthcare facilities are the ones that make the call of which students to REJECT based on criminal background &amp; drug checks.  

The reports go directly to a database that is accessed by the clinical organizations &amp; the students themselves can access their own results. 

NOW, if the student is rejected by the clinical organization, they cannot complete their classes do to a &quot;failure to progress&quot; as clinical is a required component of their class. 

I do tell our students with suspicious backgrounds that the &quot;powers that be&quot; still have the ability to deny licensure for backgrounds that are indeed questionable. 

Our problem has been that sometimes the hospitals let someone slip thru their fingers when checking the reports.  If the clinical agencies  do not catch the error, we cannot drop them from the class.

Even with this safeguard, some simply slip thru the cracks,.  Some students think we are crazy when alerting them to the harsh realization that they, in reality, may never be able to get a license in ANY healthcare profession.  GO FIGURE....
Keep up the good work, Laura, you are one in a million....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,<br />
Bingo, you are right on target.  NC Community Colleges are considered &#8220;open door&#8221; when it comes to admissions and to a certain degree, as program directors, our hands are tied.  </p>
<p>At our college, ALL of our healthcare programs require  students to have a criminal background check and drug screen prior to the first day of class because our students are required to participate in external clinical components.  Thank Goodness for that!</p>
<p>Our safeguard is this:<br />
The healthcare organizations, where our students participate in their clinical rotation, DO require the CBC&#8217;s and drug screens.  </p>
<p>Yes, it lets the community college system off the hook, so to speak, while still controlling, to a certain degree, the quality of students that enter our educational gates.  AND&#8230;.the external healthcare facilities are the ones that make the call of which students to REJECT based on criminal background &amp; drug checks.  </p>
<p>The reports go directly to a database that is accessed by the clinical organizations &amp; the students themselves can access their own results. </p>
<p>NOW, if the student is rejected by the clinical organization, they cannot complete their classes do to a &#8220;failure to progress&#8221; as clinical is a required component of their class. </p>
<p>I do tell our students with suspicious backgrounds that the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; still have the ability to deny licensure for backgrounds that are indeed questionable. </p>
<p>Our problem has been that sometimes the hospitals let someone slip thru their fingers when checking the reports.  If the clinical agencies  do not catch the error, we cannot drop them from the class.</p>
<p>Even with this safeguard, some simply slip thru the cracks,.  Some students think we are crazy when alerting them to the harsh realization that they, in reality, may never be able to get a license in ANY healthcare profession.  GO FIGURE&#8230;.<br />
Keep up the good work, Laura, you are one in a million&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own and operate a small massage school in NW Arkansas and we ask the, &quot;Have you been convicted of a felony or Class A Misdemeanor?&quot; question on our intake form.  I really appreciated Hearing Dale Atkinson&#039;s comment at the FSMTB conference and immediately implemented it.  Dale&#039;s suggestion was that if someone has commited felonies that the school require them to sign a second form stating that they understand they might not ever be able to be granted a massage license by the state.  Keep up the good work, Laura!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own and operate a small massage school in NW Arkansas and we ask the, &#8220;Have you been convicted of a felony or Class A Misdemeanor?&#8221; question on our intake form.  I really appreciated Hearing Dale Atkinson&#8217;s comment at the FSMTB conference and immediately implemented it.  Dale&#8217;s suggestion was that if someone has commited felonies that the school require them to sign a second form stating that they understand they might not ever be able to be granted a massage license by the state.  Keep up the good work, Laura!</p>
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